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		<title>By: Oliver Chettle</title>
		<link>http://kennethwoods.net/blog1/2008/06/13/i-should-have-gone-to-truck-drivin-school/comment-page-1/#comment-115219</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Chettle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Mar 2011 01:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-45798&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Daniel &lt;/a&gt; 

The U.S. has roughly one &quot;proper&quot; orchestra for every 6 million people.</description>
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<p>The U.S. has roughly one &#8220;proper&#8221; orchestra for every 6 million people.</p>
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		<title>By: Orchestral Salaries In The UK&#160;&#124;&#160;Dreaming Realist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orchestral Salaries In The UK&#160;&#124;&#160;Dreaming Realist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] media relays etc. [Some details of comparable orchestral salaries in the USA are available here.] Comparison with other UK salaries To set these figures in context: * The average wage in 2007 for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 05:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think HNL principals make a little more now, but could be wrong.  Still, making 30k in the islands is pretty low, especially since there aren&#039;t as many side or regional gigs.  Most of the musicians in Hawaii teach at schools for a living and play on the side.  Or not.  I haven&#039;t lived there for a while.

RKK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think HNL principals make a little more now, but could be wrong.  Still, making 30k in the islands is pretty low, especially since there aren&#8217;t as many side or regional gigs.  Most of the musicians in Hawaii teach at schools for a living and play on the side.  Or not.  I haven&#8217;t lived there for a while.</p>
<p>RKK</p>
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		<title>By: ComposerBastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>ComposerBastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got just the ticket for those long drives from Cardiff

http://www.fleetwoodrv.com/revolutionle/default.aspx

...put those truckers to shame...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got just the ticket for those long drives from Cardiff</p>
<p><a href="http://www.fleetwoodrv.com/revolutionle/default.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.fleetwoodrv.com/revolutionle/default.aspx</a></p>
<p>&#8230;put those truckers to shame&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t say I&#039;m not bitter- that&#039;s a stretch for most non-Sideshow Bob conductors, but sadly, my union membership wouldn&#039;t help me as a stick waiver.... Conductors get dressing rooms, but we have absolutely no CBA-based rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t say I&#8217;m not bitter- that&#8217;s a stretch for most non-Sideshow Bob conductors, but sadly, my union membership wouldn&#8217;t help me as a stick waiver&#8230;. Conductors get dressing rooms, but we have absolutely no CBA-based rights.</p>
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		<title>By: ComposerBastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>ComposerBastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KW:  Hmmm sounds a bit bitter to me.  =O Call local 47 and organizes a strike.</description>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Woods</title>
		<link>http://kennethwoods.net/blog1/2008/06/13/i-should-have-gone-to-truck-drivin-school/comment-page-1/#comment-46116</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenneth Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John-

Thanks for the note. 200 days a year on the road- not unusual for many freelancers. Certainly many of my colleagues in Columbus did that between trips there, Dayton, Louisville, Toledo, Indy, Canton, Western Ohio....

CB- I&#039;m afraid you&#039;re argument sounds a little looney to my ears. I can&#039;t tell you how many people I know with $100,000 violins making 10k a year. Violins don&#039;t maintain themselves either. Then there&#039;s the bow. And insurance. And you&#039;re still driving your car into the ground- I&#039;ve done as much as 30k miles in one year. And I was working on a freaking double doctorate at the time, not that I&#039;m bitter. I just think that if all the Columbus musicians went and blockaded a refinery or two, they&#039;d be making a good salary in no time. Maybe the UK regional players should steal a page from the lorry drivers playbook. RIght now, they can&#039;t get petrol to get to work, how cool would it be if the musicians stopped the lorry drivers from getting to work....

K</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John-</p>
<p>Thanks for the note. 200 days a year on the road- not unusual for many freelancers. Certainly many of my colleagues in Columbus did that between trips there, Dayton, Louisville, Toledo, Indy, Canton, Western Ohio&#8230;.</p>
<p>CB- I&#8217;m afraid you&#8217;re argument sounds a little looney to my ears. I can&#8217;t tell you how many people I know with $100,000 violins making 10k a year. Violins don&#8217;t maintain themselves either. Then there&#8217;s the bow. And insurance. And you&#8217;re still driving your car into the ground- I&#8217;ve done as much as 30k miles in one year. And I was working on a freaking double doctorate at the time, not that I&#8217;m bitter. I just think that if all the Columbus musicians went and blockaded a refinery or two, they&#8217;d be making a good salary in no time. Maybe the UK regional players should steal a page from the lorry drivers playbook. RIght now, they can&#8217;t get petrol to get to work, how cool would it be if the musicians stopped the lorry drivers from getting to work&#8230;.</p>
<p>K</p>
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		<title>By: ComposerBastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>ComposerBastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 00:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;More if you own your own truck ($.88/mi X 3000mi = $137,280).&quot;

Except that darn truck cost over $250,000 dollars + maintenance.  Although I considered putting a piano in one and traveling around the country</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;More if you own your own truck ($.88/mi X 3000mi = $137,280).&#8221;</p>
<p>Except that darn truck cost over $250,000 dollars + maintenance.  Although I considered putting a piano in one and traveling around the country</p>
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		<title>By: John Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[CB: &quot;…work on that forehand…the percussion wont see you - they are all ex-Lorry drivers btw...&quot;]

AM NOT!!!   Never drove a lorry before! Or a truck, either!   Well....not for pay, anyway. And not far, either....only a moving van for my own household goods. And a few times for friends/family .... does a good BBQ meal &amp; beer count as pay?? All of my ex band mates were not drivers either....well except for Joe, and Craig......hmmm, also Billie...and Julie (the roughest of all!) And they never could see the conductor &#039;cause they never remembered to look up...  OK - Never Mind!

US drivers at a good company can get paid reasonable well....if 200 days away from home is of no consequence...one can earn (assuming averages from Taylor Truck Lines info: 3000miles/wk, $0.43/mi ave depending on experience) over $67,000.  More if you own your own truck ($.88/mi X 3000mi  = $137,280). 

Maybe that is why I play music whenever I can in organizations/groups that I enjoy....and climb mountains fixing police radio sites and microwave communications systems all week to pay the bills. At least my day job beats work!!!!</description>
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<p>AM NOT!!!   Never drove a lorry before! Or a truck, either!   Well&#8230;.not for pay, anyway. And not far, either&#8230;.only a moving van for my own household goods. And a few times for friends/family &#8230;. does a good BBQ meal &amp; beer count as pay?? All of my ex band mates were not drivers either&#8230;.well except for Joe, and Craig&#8230;&#8230;hmmm, also Billie&#8230;and Julie (the roughest of all!) And they never could see the conductor &#8217;cause they never remembered to look up&#8230;  OK &#8211; Never Mind!</p>
<p>US drivers at a good company can get paid reasonable well&#8230;.if 200 days away from home is of no consequence&#8230;one can earn (assuming averages from Taylor Truck Lines info: 3000miles/wk, $0.43/mi ave depending on experience) over $67,000.  More if you own your own truck ($.88/mi X 3000mi  = $137,280). </p>
<p>Maybe that is why I play music whenever I can in organizations/groups that I enjoy&#8230;.and climb mountains fixing police radio sites and microwave communications systems all week to pay the bills. At least my day job beats work!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: ComposerBastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>ComposerBastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 13:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry ladies and gents, I&#039;m all for the lorry drivers side.  Its grueling, and dangerous work to be on the road all the time with a giant gin bottle full of flammable liquid strapped to your back instead of a violin. And though these drivers are &#039;employed&quot;, I believe its probably an issue of large demand pushing them to take more unnecessary risks.  Moreover, transportation of goods has always paid pretty good historically.  Think of the &quot;merchies&quot;...oh hell think of being a camel driver to China in 1300..

I might value an education, but I certainly don&#039;t think it should be a guarantee on how much money you make.  In fact, I think some &quot;uneducated&quot; professions should get more - such as the friendly garbage men that take away my stale cabbages on Thursday.  Its surprising they don&#039;t pass out or get cancer.  Or if you really want to complain, you dont have to bother with the fair trucker who lives in the woods near you.  Look for those that are NOT on strike or complaining - such as that CEO at your major corporation on the corner.  Thats where the real problem is, and they are just as diplomaless and more - ignorant selfish baboons.

Ok, you all...quit slacking (or making me slack).  Get back to work.  You there, Wales dude...start waving that white stick thing a bit...maybe more loopy this time around...work on that forehand...the percussion wont see you - they are all ex-Lorry drivers btw.  As for Gert...haven&#039;t figured out your instrument from your blog, but you might try singing something for us?  As for me, this bloody violin thing needs stitching, and I have a turkey that needs attending in the garden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry ladies and gents, I&#8217;m all for the lorry drivers side.  Its grueling, and dangerous work to be on the road all the time with a giant gin bottle full of flammable liquid strapped to your back instead of a violin. And though these drivers are &#8216;employed&#8221;, I believe its probably an issue of large demand pushing them to take more unnecessary risks.  Moreover, transportation of goods has always paid pretty good historically.  Think of the &#8220;merchies&#8221;&#8230;oh hell think of being a camel driver to China in 1300..</p>
<p>I might value an education, but I certainly don&#8217;t think it should be a guarantee on how much money you make.  In fact, I think some &#8220;uneducated&#8221; professions should get more &#8211; such as the friendly garbage men that take away my stale cabbages on Thursday.  Its surprising they don&#8217;t pass out or get cancer.  Or if you really want to complain, you dont have to bother with the fair trucker who lives in the woods near you.  Look for those that are NOT on strike or complaining &#8211; such as that CEO at your major corporation on the corner.  Thats where the real problem is, and they are just as diplomaless and more &#8211; ignorant selfish baboons.</p>
<p>Ok, you all&#8230;quit slacking (or making me slack).  Get back to work.  You there, Wales dude&#8230;start waving that white stick thing a bit&#8230;maybe more loopy this time around&#8230;work on that forehand&#8230;the percussion wont see you &#8211; they are all ex-Lorry drivers btw.  As for Gert&#8230;haven&#8217;t figured out your instrument from your blog, but you might try singing something for us?  As for me, this bloody violin thing needs stitching, and I have a turkey that needs attending in the garden.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Woods</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Gert- Welcome and thanks for writing, I&#039;ve always enjoyed your blog. On a non-musical note, you reminded me that soldiers in the US armed forces generally earn far less than the mysterious &quot;contractors&quot; who are supposedly there as a cost-saving/outsourcing measure...

To CB- I slightly choked on my corn flakes at the mention of truckers choking on gas prices. I can&#039;t think of anyone more hard hit than freelance musicians by gas prices, and on top of this, we&#039;re expected to pay for an maintain hugely expensive instruments...

I highly, highly recommend Jason Heath&#039;s series Road Warrior Without an Expense Account which begins here
http://doublebassblog.org/2006/12/road-warrior-without-expense-account.html
On the other hand, CB is quite right that thousands of excellent musicians are forced in to low earning freelance work despite playing as well or better as their colleagues in the majors simply because of lack of opportunity. When you look at the subsidies our government provides to sport, you can&#039;t help but see that the arts are woefully undersupported, especially considering they do more to drive the economy than sports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Gert- Welcome and thanks for writing, I&#8217;ve always enjoyed your blog. On a non-musical note, you reminded me that soldiers in the US armed forces generally earn far less than the mysterious &#8220;contractors&#8221; who are supposedly there as a cost-saving/outsourcing measure&#8230;</p>
<p>To CB- I slightly choked on my corn flakes at the mention of truckers choking on gas prices. I can&#8217;t think of anyone more hard hit than freelance musicians by gas prices, and on top of this, we&#8217;re expected to pay for an maintain hugely expensive instruments&#8230;</p>
<p>I highly, highly recommend Jason Heath&#8217;s series Road Warrior Without an Expense Account which begins here<br />
<a href="http://doublebassblog.org/2006/12/road-warrior-without-expense-account.html" rel="nofollow">http://doublebassblog.org/2006/12/road-warrior-without-expense-account.html</a><br />
On the other hand, CB is quite right that thousands of excellent musicians are forced in to low earning freelance work despite playing as well or better as their colleagues in the majors simply because of lack of opportunity. When you look at the subsidies our government provides to sport, you can&#8217;t help but see that the arts are woefully undersupported, especially considering they do more to drive the economy than sports.</p>
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		<title>By: Gert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 11:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you&#039;ve written this. We were watching on the news and were completely outraged. My partner used to deliver paraffin door-to-door, so he didn&#039;t just have to drive tankers but also run a business, including customer service, which in that sort of business can come quite close to social work,but as far as he is concerned  it is unskilled labour - at most, requiring a short course for an HGV licence. 

Really quite galling for people who have spent several years studying Higher Education and Professional or post-grad vocational qualifications to discover they would have been better off dropping out of school with no qualifications. Nor would I like to run this one past the squaddies in Iraq and Afghanistan who earn considerably less (they appear to be earning what an Army Captain earns)

Truckers who are employed, (as opposed to self-employed), as these striking drivers are, are no more affected by oil prices than anybody else who is employed for a salary and whose employer meets the costs of doing the work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;ve written this. We were watching on the news and were completely outraged. My partner used to deliver paraffin door-to-door, so he didn&#8217;t just have to drive tankers but also run a business, including customer service, which in that sort of business can come quite close to social work,but as far as he is concerned  it is unskilled labour &#8211; at most, requiring a short course for an HGV licence. </p>
<p>Really quite galling for people who have spent several years studying Higher Education and Professional or post-grad vocational qualifications to discover they would have been better off dropping out of school with no qualifications. Nor would I like to run this one past the squaddies in Iraq and Afghanistan who earn considerably less (they appear to be earning what an Army Captain earns)</p>
<p>Truckers who are employed, (as opposed to self-employed), as these striking drivers are, are no more affected by oil prices than anybody else who is employed for a salary and whose employer meets the costs of doing the work.</p>
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		<title>By: ComposerBastard</title>
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		<dc:creator>ComposerBastard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jun 2008 00:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>err...what about the 100K they are earning in teaching on the side?

Or the people in the good ol USA who never had a chance at an orchestra seat yet are good enough in training to have one up front?

Anyone heard of supply and demand?

But really...just remember, once you make the decision to change careers, or compromise yourself in a position in say...software engineering or...Software QA testing or the like...the golden handcuffs will never allow you to mentally go back to what you value most.  Eat your onion soup, and crusty bread and never doubt....

As for truckers, they are being killed by gas prices - which I understand right now is caused by an over-saturation of capital via lower interest rates and thank you Mr Bush admin which is driving up futures (todays dollar will be worth more in the future) and inflation.  ad infinitum based on your country code...and chinese demand...and Composerbastard rambling to himself at $5.00 per gallon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>err&#8230;what about the 100K they are earning in teaching on the side?</p>
<p>Or the people in the good ol USA who never had a chance at an orchestra seat yet are good enough in training to have one up front?</p>
<p>Anyone heard of supply and demand?</p>
<p>But really&#8230;just remember, once you make the decision to change careers, or compromise yourself in a position in say&#8230;software engineering or&#8230;Software QA testing or the like&#8230;the golden handcuffs will never allow you to mentally go back to what you value most.  Eat your onion soup, and crusty bread and never doubt&#8230;.</p>
<p>As for truckers, they are being killed by gas prices &#8211; which I understand right now is caused by an over-saturation of capital via lower interest rates and thank you Mr Bush admin which is driving up futures (todays dollar will be worth more in the future) and inflation.  ad infinitum based on your country code&#8230;and chinese demand&#8230;and Composerbastard rambling to himself at $5.00 per gallon</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:58:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And further to continue the poor-funding rant, Northern Ireland has just *one* proper orchestra. The UK sees fit to turn a blind eye to the dire state of affairs because only 1,800,000 people live here. But with just one orchestra then, you&#039;d think they&#039;d be happy enough to provide proper funding for it, right? Apparently not right, as funding for the Ulster Orchestra keeps falling behind that of mainland orchestras.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And further to continue the poor-funding rant, Northern Ireland has just *one* proper orchestra. The UK sees fit to turn a blind eye to the dire state of affairs because only 1,800,000 people live here. But with just one orchestra then, you&#8217;d think they&#8217;d be happy enough to provide proper funding for it, right? Apparently not right, as funding for the Ulster Orchestra keeps falling behind that of mainland orchestras.</p>
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