{"id":133,"date":"2006-09-10T23:21:54","date_gmt":"2006-09-10T23:21:54","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/2006\/09\/10\/more-on-mahlers-instruction-manuals\/"},"modified":"2006-09-13T11:27:32","modified_gmt":"2006-09-13T11:27:32","slug":"more-on-mahlers-instruction-manuals","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/2006\/09\/10\/more-on-mahlers-instruction-manuals\/","title":{"rendered":"More on Mahler&#8217;s Instruction Manuals"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span lang=\"EN-GB\">I was please to see that Patrick Smith at the Penitent Wagnerite picked up on my thread about Mahler scores as conducting lessons with <a href=\"http:\/\/wagnerite.blogspot.com\/2006\/09\/its-our-tradition-to-control.html\">this pseudo-rebuttal<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span lang=\"EN-GB\" \/><span lang=\"EN-GB\">I\u2019m not sure, however, that he and I are really talking about the same thing, as I\u2019m not at all concerned with how benign his state of mind was towards other conductors when he wrote his works. Mahler understood full well that the craft of conducting as it existed in his day was not sufficiently sophisticated to allow conductors to realize his musical intentions. He\u2019s not alone in this, as composers before and since have often written for the next generation of musicians (Beethoven\u2019s remark to the effect \u201cI don\u2019t give a damn about your violin\u201d when told a passage he\u2019d written was unplayable on the instrument comes to mind. He knew full well that it was playable). Mahler himself said that it would take conductors a generation to figure out how to conduct some of his mixed meter passages, such as the in the Scherzo of the Sixth Symphony, and the second movement of the Tenth, and he was right. For Mahler, the \u201cinstruction manual\u201d approach to notation was the only way forward.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span lang=\"EN-GB\" \/><span lang=\"EN-GB\">All credit to him then that he had the expertise to pull it off. His experience as a performing musician shines through on every page. Though his music makes tremendous demands on players and conductors, it is always playable, and that which he suggests always works unless the acoustics of the performing space get in the way. In fact, Mahler himself has prepared us for even this eventuality- we can look at his various stages of revision and retouching and match them up to the performing space that he was working in when he made them. A study of the different versions of the Fourth, for instance, is a fantastic primer in how do deal with wetter or drier or muddier spaces.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span lang=\"EN-GB\" \/><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Not every composer who set out to do this has been able to. Schoenberg\u2019s Pelleas and Melisande, a piece I adore, looks very much like a Mahler symphony on the page, and his scores are just as carefully notated as Mahler\u2019s. However, although the music is wonderful, the orchestration, though colourful, dramatic and original, is not nearly as professional as Mahler\u2019s. I\u2019ve conducted and covered the P&#038;M, and there are few works I\u2019ve done where one listens to the piece being rehearsed in the hall by a good orchestra and ends up with pages and pages of balance notes. His scores must be read as Sibelius\u2019- that is, as how he wants it to sound rather than as what you are really supposed to do at every moment.<br \/>\n<\/span><span lang=\"EN-GB\" \/><span lang=\"EN-GB\">A similar comparison can be made between the two great French composers, Ravel and Debussy. Both had unparalleled creativity in their writing for orchestra, but Ravel had more\u00a0skill. By and large, Ravel\u2019s orchestral <strong><em>works sound as written when they are played as written,<\/em><\/strong> but Debussy\u2019s often don\u2019t.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span lang=\"EN-GB\" \/><span lang=\"EN-GB\">It is a fact that the instruction manual approach to orchestration has become the norm in the 20<sup>th<\/sup> Century, but though composers like Schoenberg aspire to it, we must sometimes recognize that, acoustics and physics being what they are, it won\u2019t always sound in a room like it sounds in your head when you look at the page without help.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span lang=\"EN-GB\" \/><span lang=\"EN-GB\">Certainly, <strong>studying scores\u00a0is what makes conductors better at what we do<\/strong>, but studying the scores of one of the great conductors is doubly illuminating. Established conductors will often loan their own copy of a\u00a0given work to a younger colleague-studying another conductor&#8217;s analysis and\u00a0markings is very helpful.\u00a0Studying Mahler&#8217;s music not only can make a conductor a better musician, it makes you a better conductor, because you&#8217;re not just learning the symphony by Mahler the composer, you&#8217;re looking at the performing notes of Mahler the conductor.\u00a0I&#8217;m not assigning papal infalibility to Mahler or Ravel, there&#8217;s always a harmonic or a bowing in any score that doesn&#8217;t work as notated. It&#8217;s not that they knew everything that could be known about the orchestra, just that they knew more than anyone else.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span lang=\"EN-GB\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span lang=\"EN-GB\">The one thing in Patrick\u2019s piece I completely disagree with is the following-<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><span lang=\"EN-GB\" \/><span lang=\"EN-GB\">\u201c<\/span><span lang=\"EN\">Mahler might have written conducting masterclasses into his scores, but don&#8217;t confuse general conducting advice for &#8220;here&#8217;s how to conduct my works so they sound like I wanted.&#8221;\u201d<\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><span lang=\"EN\" \/><span lang=\"EN\">I would actually suggest the hypothetical quote from Mahler <em>should<\/em> read, and <em>would<\/em> read if we could ask him, \u201chere\u2019s how to <strong>perform<\/strong> my works so they sound like the way I conceived them.\u201d That includes conducting, and that\u2019s a promise that many other composers of genius couldn\u2019t make.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span lang=\"EN\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span lang=\"EN\">UPDATE- More from Patrick Smith <a href=\"http:\/\/wagnerite.blogspot.com\/2006\/09\/woods-responds.html\" target=\"_blank\">here<\/a><\/span><span lang=\"EN\"> <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span lang=\"EN\" \/><\/p>\n<p><span lang=\"EN\" \/><span lang=\"EN\" \/><span lang=\"EN-GB\">c. 2006 Kenneth Woods<\/span><\/p>\n<div id=\"wp_fb_like_button\" style=\"margin:5px 0;float:none;height:100px;\"><script src=\"http:\/\/connect.facebook.net\/en_US\/all.js#xfbml=1\"><\/script><fb:like href=\"https:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/2006\/09\/10\/more-on-mahlers-instruction-manuals\/\" send=\"false\" layout=\"box_count\" width=\"450\" show_faces=\"true\" font=\"arial\" action=\"like\" colorscheme=\"light\"><\/fb:like><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I was please to see that Patrick Smith at the Penitent Wagnerite picked up on my thread about Mahler scores as conducting lessons with this pseudo-rebuttal. I\u2019m not sure, however, that he and I are really talking about the same thing, as I\u2019m not at all concerned with how benign his state of mind was [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_et_pb_use_builder":"","_et_pb_old_content":"","_et_gb_content_width":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[1,2,7],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-133","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-music-opion-life-as-a-performing-musician","category-mahler","category-masterclass"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/133","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=133"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/133\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=133"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=133"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=133"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}