{"id":1525,"date":"2010-03-11T22:03:49","date_gmt":"2010-03-11T21:03:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/?p=1525"},"modified":"2014-06-07T17:36:43","modified_gmt":"2014-06-07T17:36:43","slug":"defending-lvbs-tempi-symphony-no-2-and-beyond","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/2010\/03\/11\/defending-lvbs-tempi-symphony-no-2-and-beyond\/","title":{"rendered":"Defending LvB&#8217;s tempi- Symphony no. 2 and beyond"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Some months ago, my trio, Ensemble Epomeo, had just given a rather pleasant and exciting concert the night before, and I was enjoying my morning espresso on the slopes of Mount Epomeo just that little bit more with the first performance of a challenging new program behind me. As I wandered the grounds, I ran into a student I had always thought of as a genial if eccentric older amateur musician. Any hint of her gentle wit soon evaporated when she started yelling at me, for a good 15-20 minutes, about our tempos in the Beethoven C minor String Trio the night before.<\/p>\n<p>A key element of her lengthy and rather vitriolic diatribe seemed to be that by choosing rather brisk tempi throughout the work, we were revealing a lack of respect and affection for Beethoven\u2019s music. Apparently, in her world, playing slowly means you love the music, playing fast means <strong><em>you hate the music.<\/em><\/strong> I recently encountered the same sentiment again. If you don\u2019t know what Beethoven actually wrote, nor understand why he wrote it, or the relationships expressed within, it might never occur to you that a performer has chosen tempi not to aggravate you, but because they have made an effort to understand the text they\u2019re interpreting. That&#8217;s not to say the performer is correct, but simply that you lack the skill and standing to evaluate the merits of their approach.The art of tact rarely extends to explaining to a listener that they just don\u2019t know what they are talking about. Sadly, she <strong><em>didn\u2019t<\/em><\/strong> know what she was talking about, much as she loved her recording of the piece.<\/p>\n<p>Of course, the question of tempo is always somewhat fraught in Beethoven (mostly because his quicker tempos require the performers to practice their parts), but I\u2019d never actually been accosted about it so violently before. I can remember my own deep resistance when someone got out their metronome while I was listening to a favorite recording of a Beethoven symphony (the 1st mvt of #3). Of course, LvB\u2019s tempo was insanely faster than what I was used to- it was a mistake, I thought. I got very upset- It\u2019s a load of crap! Metronomes aren\u2019t musical! They don\u2019t feel, they don\u2019t express! I\u2019m sure I did some colorful and vitriolic ranting of my own. I might have even considered some accosting. I probably said that anyone who conducted the piece that fast would have to hate the music or be late for a train.<\/p>\n<p>What finally got me to sit down and think hard about Beethoven\u2019s tempos was the experience of working with some great chamber music coaches, notably the La Salle and Tokyo quartets (especially the patient mentoring of Henry Meyer), long arguments with my conducting teacher, Gerhard Samuel, and encountering the Beethoven symphony performances of Carlos Kleiber. Kleiber sealed the deal. \u00a0I\u2019d always been presented with a false dichotomy-I&#8217;d been told that \u00a0real, deeply feeling, passionate musicians who love and care about and understand the music came up with their own tempos. Cold, unfeeling, mechanical academics are just content to hack through based on a tempo dictated by a machine. Kleiber, of course, was the most joyful, the most passionate, most creative, most flexible interpreter of Beethoven who ever picked up a baton. He also stayed very, very close to LvB\u2019s carefully thought out metronome markings.<\/p>\n<p>The fact is, when you learn a piece from a recording, you\u2019re not learning the composition, you are imprinting a performance. Nothing more. It\u2019s a passive process, not an active one. It confuses familiarity with understanding. Listening to a beloved performance ten thousand times doesn\u2019t mean you understand the piece- you\u2019ve got to go to the score for that. When we hear or perform music, we\u2019re often inspired to poetic descriptions. We might decide that this or that piece is \u201cgenial\u2019 or \u201clyrical\u201d or that it \u201cneeds to breathe,\u201d when what we mean is that we are used to a performance that has those qualities. This doesn\u2019t mean that the favorite performance is wrong, simply that it is not definitive. What is surprising is that, for such a listener, a performance that departs from their familiar version might still affect listeners as \u201cgenial\u201d but might come across to that listener as something else entirely. Or, it might bring out other, equally valid and worthy qualities. And, of course, you can still enjoy aspects of a performance while recognizing where there are problems. I continue to admire the color and sensitivity of Celibidache\u2019s Beethoven, even though I find he pays too high a price in terms of structure, and loses almost all the wit and humor. I can still strive to learn from those beautiful textures, and enjoy the performances on their own terms. Put simply, it is wiser to educate yourself to listen more openly <strong><em>and<\/em><\/strong> more critically- to be able to enjoy and admire points of view different from your own.<\/p>\n<p>Take, for example, the 2<sup>nd<\/sup> Symphony, which I just conducted last weekend in Cambridge. Beethoven added the metronome markings in 1817, after the work had been performed many times, by which time he would have had not only a memory of his original concept of the work, \u00a0but also of the performing issues the piece offers. All the tempi he suggests are eminently playable, if challenging. Of course, the value of a performance is not measured in how exactly one adheres to those tempi, but it doesn\u2019t take long to see that they are exceptionally carefully thought out, and reflect carefully intergrated tempo relationships throughout the piece.<\/p>\n<p>The Allegro section of the 1<sup>st<\/sup> mvt is marked half=100. That\u2019s brisk and virtuosic, but not chaotic (unless the listener insists on hearing it that way). The 2<sup>nd<\/sup> mvt is marked Larghetto, which sounds slow, but the metronome marking is 92, which means the speed of the pulse is <em><strong>just the tiniest bit<\/strong><\/em> slower than that of the Allegro. When LvB transcribed the Symphony for Piano Trio, he changed the tempo marking of this movement to Larghetto <strong><em>quasi andante<\/em><\/strong>, or \u201cin a walking tempo.\u201d If you were raised on a very slow tempo, LvB\u2019s will make for a different listening experience, but it is also a revelation- the anticipations of Schubert\u2019s Andantes are right there to be seen. Instead of a Romantic <strong><em>slow movement<\/em><\/strong>, you have more of an intermezzo- a leisurely stroll, during which you experience many beauties, moments of great humor, mystery, fantasy and much more, before your journey brings you back home, enriched. It sparkles, it flirts, it explodes in pomp, then retreats into radiant serenity. To me, it is more profound because it wears its genius more lightly.<\/p>\n<p>Things get even more interesting in the 3<sup>rd<\/sup> Mvt, which LvB marked dotted-half=100. In other words, the speed of the pulse in the 1<sup>st<\/sup> and 3<sup>rd<\/sup> mvts should be exactly the same. Take a slower I, you need a slower III, a faster I a faster III. It also means that the pulse of III is <strong><em>just the tiniest bit<\/em><\/strong> faster than that of II.<\/p>\n<p>Then, there is the Finale, which is marked half= 152. This is, of course, fast, but it is also an expression of a very interesting relationship. At dotted half=100, the speed of quarter notes in III is 300. At half+152, the speed of quarters in the Finale is 304- almost the same speed, and the metronome doesn\u2019t generally have a 150 option, so Beethoven may have meant either exactly the same speed or one with slightly more fizz. (I always assumed that if Beethoven had had the option of a 150 notch on his metronome he would have used it, but I&#8217;m no longer so sure- that bit of extra fizz seems to create a lot of propulsion, since each of the last 3 movements then is just a bit faster than the one before)<\/p>\n<p>This means that the whole symphony has a sort of underlying sense of unity to the tempi that makes a lot of sense. Interesting things come to the surface at these speeds- notably humor and virtuosity. There are several thematic references to the Marriage of Figaro Overture (in the same key, of course) in IV- these come out beautifully at LvB\u2019s tempo. In fact, Beethoven\u2019s wit comes across beautifully throughout.<\/p>\n<p>In the end, following LvB\u2019s tempi <strong><em>doesn\u2019t in any way guarantee<\/em><\/strong> a good performance- it\u2019s got to be colorful, articulate, in tune, together, dynamic, balanced, phrased and more, <strong><em>and I\u2019m not sure I\u2019d sacrifice any of those for sheer tempo.<\/em><\/strong> If I did, I\u2019ll learn from the mistakes, to be sure, and I&#8217;d be grateful for feedback that called it to my attention. When I did the piece last week, I found 96 was about as fast as I dared go in the 1<sup>st<\/sup> and 3<sup>rd<\/sup> mvts, with other tempi adjusted proportionately, at least in the rehearsals. I\u2019ll be curious to hear the recording of the concert, and see how it worked. I last did the piece in Pendleton in April of 09, at almost the exact same tempi, but for some reason, the 3<sup>rd<\/sup> Mvt didn\u2019t work as I hoped it would- it never quite grooved and ended up a little slow- it felt better this time. However, the outer mvts worked well at LvB\u2019s tempi, which you can also hear in fine recordings by Gardiner, Zinman and many others.<\/p>\n<p>This is a big and contentious subject, but the only thing to add is that LvB is pretty consistent from piece to piece about his metronome markings- similar movements with similar descriptive markings end up with similar metronome marks. Look at the first mvts of his 3<sup>rd<\/sup> and 8<sup>th<\/sup> Symphonies- what do they tell you about the tempo of the Egmont Overture? There is a range of tempo possibilities there, but it is a relatively narrow one. The Finale\u2019s of LvB 2 and 4 are cut from the same cloth, and have almost identical tempi of 76 vs 80 to the bar or 152 versus 160 to the half bar. Most good conductors switch back and forth between conducting in 2 and 1 in these movements- that shift in the unit of pulse is very, very typical of classical repertoire, especially Haydn, whose music is the most obvious and profound influence on early Beethoven. If you take either movement too slowly, you are stuck in 2 all the time- the pulse of the whole bar becomes to slow to have any impetus.<\/p>\n<p>So, of course that string trio performance last year could have been shaky, not together, out of tune, ugly, whatever. To say that it was \u201ctoo fast\u201d though, belies a sort of well-nurtured ignorance. Taking the time to learn LvB\u2019s tempo tendencies is certainly not indicative of a lack of deep love for his music. I count myself as a very lucky man- I\u2019ve conducted all the Beethoven orchestral music other than Wellington\u2019s Victory (which I like!), played all the quartets, all the piano trios and all the string trios. I\u2019ve even massacred a good smattering of piano sonatas in the privacy of my home. I\u2019m so glad I had some teachers and mentors strong enough to overcome my attachment to the performances I grew up with- those visions of the pieces were wonderful, but there is always much, much more in Beethoven\u2019s conception of his own music than in that of any one conductor. The more you learn the whole output, the more you realize how logical and consistent he is with tempi.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m so glad I can look back on my past and realize how much I had to learn- I don\u2019t like the alternative at all\u2026.. to be forever trapped by my own ego in a prison of ignorant dilettantism. To be proved wrong is a great gift- otherwise, you simply remain wrong forever.<\/p>\n<p>_____________________________________<\/p>\n<p>Just to reiterate my point about metronome markings not being something to apply in a completely facile way, take Ravel\u2019s Tombeau de Couperin, which we also performed on the same concert as the Beethoven last week. Ravel\u2019s tempo for the 1<sup>st<\/sup> Mvt is dotted-quarter= 92, which is very, very fast. However, that turns out to the tempo of the original version <strong><em>for piano<\/em><\/strong>&#8211; such a tempo sounds fluid and lucid on solo piano, but is impossible, or at least ill advised, with orchestra. We took it at 80, which keeps the liquid flow Ravel was after without introducting an unwanted sense of panic. \u00a0Oboe soloist Bethan White played it rather sublimely. We made a similar adjustment in the 2<sup>nd<\/sup> mvt, marked 96, which we took about 80-84. You try to keep the same relationship (very slightly faster than the 1<sup>st<\/sup> mvt) while adjusting for the realities of the new setting.<\/p>\n<p>UPDATE- worth referring readers to <a href=\"http:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/2006\/06\/29\/clocktower-things-get-interesting\/\">a similar post on Shostakovich here.<\/a><\/p>\n<div id=\"wp_fb_like_button\" style=\"margin:5px 0;float:none;height:100px;\"><script src=\"http:\/\/connect.facebook.net\/en_US\/all.js#xfbml=1\"><\/script><fb:like href=\"https:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/2010\/03\/11\/defending-lvbs-tempi-symphony-no-2-and-beyond\/\" send=\"false\" layout=\"box_count\" width=\"450\" show_faces=\"true\" font=\"arial\" action=\"like\" colorscheme=\"light\"><\/fb:like><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Some months ago, my trio, Ensemble Epomeo, had just given a rather pleasant and exciting concert the night before, and I was enjoying my morning espresso on the slopes of Mount Epomeo just that little bit more with the first performance of a challenging new program behind me. 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