{"id":3293,"date":"2011-08-07T15:18:02","date_gmt":"2011-08-07T14:18:02","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/?p=3293"},"modified":"2016-07-12T16:22:08","modified_gmt":"2016-07-12T15:22:08","slug":"who-are-the-most-underrated-composers-of-all-time","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/2011\/08\/07\/who-are-the-most-underrated-composers-of-all-time\/","title":{"rendered":"Who are the most underrated composers of all time?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I\u2019ve been thinking for a long time about writing a series on the most underrated composers in music history. Neglected and underrated music is a recurring, if not always an explicit theme here, to be sure, in many posts.<\/p>\n<p>So far, I\u2019ve shied away from producing anything as straightforward as a Top 10 or Top 20 most-underrated composers list, but not for lack of semi-absent minded contemplation of what such a list might look like.<\/p>\n<p>No such list is yet forthcoming, but maybe a discussion is. First, it\u2019s worth clarifying that we\u2019re talking specifically about \u201cunderrated\u201d composers and not necessarily \u201cneglected\u201d composers or even \u201cunjustly neglected\u201d composers. Not all \u201cneglected\u201d composers are \u201cunderrated,\u201d and neglect doesn\u2019t necessarily always lead to music being underrated. For instance, Eric Satie\u2019s music is generally vastly <strong><em>overrated,<\/em><\/strong> mostly because little of it is actually known. Somehow, the few well-known Satie pieces have been considered far more significant than they really are because we assume that somehow, there is music of genuine depth and importance behind them, when there probably isn\u2019t. I think if more people knew more Satie, the popular Gymnopedie would be taken far less seriously. Then there are funny situations in which music that pretty much everyone who knows it is known to be great, but it is not known by many people. I can scarcely remember a criticism of a significant piece by Frank Bridge (some of the salon music is not all that substantial) from anyone who has played it in a good band or heard it in a good performance- everyone who gets to know the music seems to realize it is special, but very few people yet know it.<\/p>\n<p>I think what might surprise readers is that quite a few people on the \u201cmost underreated\u201d list would be very well-known and, frankly, highly-rated composers who just <strong><em>aren\u2019t rated nearly as highly as they should be<\/em><\/strong>. \u00a0On the one hand, Bach, Brahms, Beethoven, Mahler and Mozart, just to start with, could never go on an \u201cunderrated\u201d list. They are rightly recognized as some of the greatest creative personalities in human history.\u00a0 Their music is played everywhere, and nearly universally admired. Scholars, musicians and listeners all seem to agree on their \u201cgreatness.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>It wasn\u2019t always so, of course. My writing and thinking about Gustav Mahler is largely informed by the fact that when I discovered him, he was considered something of a cult composer where I lived- almost Havergal Brian-ian in the way that his pieces were considered notable first and foremost for their scale and obscurity, but not for their importance or quality. Now Gus is King, long live King Gus. Gus is box office. Gus is primte time and mainstream, \u00a0but when I write about Mahler, it\u2019s probably the ghost of young Ken, hunting libraries around his hometown for copies of a score to the 6<sup>th<\/sup> or trying to find a decent book about his music who guides the pen. No matter how overplayed his music becomes, I\u2019ll always write and talk about Mahler as though I\u2019ve just stumbled on something really cool and obscure that I really, really think the world ought to know about. Nonetheless, calling Mahler underrated (other than by jaded critics who think there must be something suspicious about anything as beautiful and exciting\u00a0 as the 8<sup>th<\/sup> Symphony) is obviously absurd.<\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>http:\/\/youtu.be\/lfWkGzIsZIY<\/p>\n<p><em>(Klaus was country when country wasn&#8217;t cool)<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Schubert is a perfect example of a \u201crated\u201d composer who died profoundly underrated. So many of his late masterpieces weren\u2019t heard for decades after his death. Imagine if we were to find out now about a composer who had died 25 years ago who left a string of later masterpieces like the G Major Quartet, C Major Quintet and the late Schubert Piano Sonatas and song cycles. If it seems more unlikely in the internet age, it\u2019s certainly not impossible. Sometime in the 1850\u2019s, Schubert would have gone from pretty well unknown (although certainly admired by Schumann and Mendelssohn), to high up on the \u201crated\u201d list.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Artemis Quartett &amp; Truls M\u00f8rk - Schubert String Quintet\" width=\"1080\" height=\"810\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/8RmPA_psQjU?feature=oembed\"  allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><em>(Just think how underrated Schubert would be if this piece had never been found and published)<\/em><\/p>\n<p>But who from the \u201cknown\u201d list would I put on the \u201cmost underrated\u201d list? Well, top of the list, obviously, would be Haydn. If Bach is \u201cactually the greatest composer who ever lived\u201d who is rated by almost everyone as \u201cjust about without a doubt the greatest composer who ever lived,\u201d Haydn is \u201cat the very damn least, the second greatest composer who ever lived, and the only who could really make Bach sweat\u201d who seems to be widely rated as a twee fuddy duddy by everyone except for a small but enlightened group of musicians who know his music well enough to know better. How many different Haydn symphonies have been performed at the Proms over the years? Just askin&#8217;&#8230;..<\/p>\n<p>Certainly, Haydn has more posthumous right to be aggrieved by his current level of popularity and critical esteem than any \u201cobscure\u201d composer, be it Hans G\u00e1l or Niels Gade.<\/p>\n<p>http:\/\/youtu.be\/f_mVPWUXSFs<\/p>\n<p><em>(Haydn 92. This piece is more astounding than you think it is- no matter how astounding you think it is. The same is probably true for almost all of his 100+ symphonies)<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Some of the other composers who, well-known and well-loved as they are are, remain underappreciated or overlooked by some significant segment of the \u201cscholar, musician and audience\u201d jury will not surprise regular Vftp readers: Robert Schumann (high on the list, possibly just below Haydn) or Antonin Dvorak (far more to him than just the New World Symphony and American Quartet. Tony D was one of the most prolific\u00a0 chamber music composers, and a great, great opera composer. His versatility is probably only surpassed by Mozart).<\/p>\n<p>http:\/\/youtu.be\/N8LmSFptEb4<\/p>\n<p><em>(The Dvorak Stabat Mater- Music doesn&#8217;t get any more heart-rendingly beautiful than this.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I think Shostakovich has finally graduated to \u201crated\u201d status, but Prokofiev, popular as he is, is most definitely \u201cunderrated.\u201d As often was we hear Romeo and Juliet, Peter and the Wolf and the Classical Symphony, there is a huge, diverse and incredibly rich and wonderful body of chamber music, operas, concerti, other ballets, film music and symphonies that most people barely know. Even extraordinary\u00a0popularity doesn\u2019t necessarily keep one off the underrated list-\u00a0 the gap between <strong><em>how good a composer like Tchaikovsky generally seems to be perceived to be<\/em><\/strong>, and <strong><em>how good he really was<\/em><\/strong> is probably far greater than the gap between who good the same gap is for Borodin, Glinka, Glazunov or Rimsky-Korsakov. They may be more neglected, but they\u2019re almost certainly less underrated than Tchaikovsky. If you don\u2019t know Queen of Spades, or haven\u2019t properly analyzed the Pathetique, you probably don\u2019t realize what a genius Tchaikovksy was.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Hvorostovsky  Ja vas lyublyu  Queen of Spades  Tchaikovsky\" width=\"1080\" height=\"810\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/W8zKkvGB7Rw?feature=oembed\"  allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><em>(Verdi&#8217;s only serious rival for greatest opera composer of the 19th c., and we mostly think of him as a symphonic composer)<\/em><\/p>\n<p>A similarly well-known figure whose music and importance are greatly underrated is probably, no- make that certainly, Richard Strauss.\u00a0 It is with Strauss that this thread will continue.<\/p>\n<p>Meanwhile, who are the composers you think are most deserving not just of more exposure, but of a proper re-think? Is there a composer you think might charge up the charts in the next 25 years as Sibelius and Mahler have in the last 25?<\/p>\n<div id=\"wp_fb_like_button\" style=\"margin:5px 0;float:none;height:100px;\"><script src=\"http:\/\/connect.facebook.net\/en_US\/all.js#xfbml=1\"><\/script><fb:like href=\"https:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/2011\/08\/07\/who-are-the-most-underrated-composers-of-all-time\/\" send=\"false\" layout=\"box_count\" width=\"450\" show_faces=\"true\" font=\"arial\" action=\"like\" colorscheme=\"light\"><\/fb:like><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I\u2019ve been thinking for a long time about writing a series on the most underrated composers in music history. Neglected and underrated music is a recurring, if not always an explicit theme here, to be sure, in many posts. 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