{"id":5467,"date":"2013-10-12T12:01:09","date_gmt":"2013-10-12T12:01:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/?p=5467"},"modified":"2019-04-22T13:27:23","modified_gmt":"2019-04-22T12:27:23","slug":"comparative-listening-101-schumann-spring-symphony","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/2013\/10\/12\/comparative-listening-101-schumann-spring-symphony\/","title":{"rendered":"Comparative Listening 101- Schumann Spring Symphony"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Where possible, once I&#8217;ve learned and digested a score and forgotten everything I&#8217;ve ever heard other conductors and orchestras do in concert and on recordings, I like to do some serious comparative listening. It&#8217;s always interesting and often incredibly helpful see what conclusions other performers have come to about the piece at hand.<\/p>\n<p>Video is often even more instructive. One can see what the conductor was actually doing: this is usually very helpful and interesting, and occasionally rather terrifying. Video also gives one a chance to see what bowings the orchestra is using, and how the players communicate with each other. It&#8217;s not at all unusual to listen to an entire performance I find wrong-headed, disappointing or sloppy, only to stumble on one idea, one bowing or one moment that makes the whole process worthwhile.<\/p>\n<p>As I look ahead to recording the last instalment in my Schumann cycle with the Orchestra of the Swan on December <a href=\"http:\/\/www.orchestraoftheswan.org\/event\/gal-schumann-soa\/\">2nd and 3rd<\/a>, I came across two videos which I thought made for an interesting comparison, so I&#8217;ve decided to share them here. One is a performance (alongside a bit of rehearsal footage) of the group <a href=\"http:\/\/www.spiramirabilis.com\/en\/Spirit.aspx\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Spria Mirabilis<\/a>, who play (very well) without a conductor.The other is by the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.coeurope.org\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Chamber Orchestra of Europe<\/a>, conducted by <a href=\"http:\/\/www.yannicknezetseguin.com\/home.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Yannick Nezet-Seguin<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>The reason the comparison is interesting is because the two groups are of similar size and share a number of the same players (most importantly\u00a0Lorenza Borrani, who leads both groups)\u00a0and the two performances were recorded only a couple years appart.<\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;d welcome your reactions and comments- especially if we can get beyond &#8220;I liked the ________ one better.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>For me, the two performances raise some very interesting questions about what a conductor does or does not bring to a performance, how players listen \u00a0and watch with and without a conductor, how an orchestra&#8217;s sense of line and meter changes with or without a conductor, and so on.<\/p>\n<p>I normally avoid any discussion of living colleagues here, but in this case, it&#8217;s clear that these are both very good performances at a high professional level- what really struck me is that not only are the two performances quite different, the relative strengths and not-strengths \u00a0are so different.<\/p>\n<p>I think if you take in both performances attentively, you&#8217;ll find that it&#8217;s not possible to say &#8220;it&#8217;s better with\/without a conductor&#8221; but you&#8217;ll certainly realize it&#8217;s different. For the conductor, it&#8217;s a chance to see what the players do when you&#8217;re not there than you can encourage the to bring to your rehearsals and concerts, and for the musicians, it&#8217;s a chance to see and hear what a conductor can bring to a performance and to think about how you can keep those qualities when you work without one.<\/p>\n<h2>Spira Mirabilis (performance starts about 10 mins in)<\/h2>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Schumann Sinfonia 1\" width=\"1080\" height=\"608\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/CgTqwzkAaeA?feature=oembed\"  allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2>Chamber Orchestra of Europe<\/h2>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Schumann - Symphony No 1 in B-flat major, Op 38 - N\u00e9zet-S\u00e9guin\" width=\"1080\" height=\"608\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/a5PGq1Q3nEg?feature=oembed\"  allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div id=\"wp_fb_like_button\" style=\"margin:5px 0;float:none;height:100px;\"><script src=\"http:\/\/connect.facebook.net\/en_US\/all.js#xfbml=1\"><\/script><fb:like href=\"https:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/2013\/10\/12\/comparative-listening-101-schumann-spring-symphony\/\" send=\"false\" layout=\"box_count\" width=\"450\" show_faces=\"true\" font=\"arial\" action=\"like\" colorscheme=\"light\"><\/fb:like><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Where possible, once I&#8217;ve learned and digested a score and forgotten everything I&#8217;ve ever heard other conductors and orchestras do in concert and on recordings, I like to do some serious comparative listening. It&#8217;s always interesting and often incredibly helpful see what conclusions other performers have come to about the piece at hand. 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