{"id":573,"date":"2008-03-14T12:53:38","date_gmt":"2008-03-14T12:53:38","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/2008\/03\/14\/b5-take-the-repeat\/"},"modified":"2008-03-14T12:53:38","modified_gmt":"2008-03-14T12:53:38","slug":"b5-take-the-repeat","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/2008\/03\/14\/b5-take-the-repeat\/","title":{"rendered":"B5- Take the repeat!"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Time limits are mitigating against me writing too much this week about B5 preparations with the Surrey Mozart Players, but I am getting excited about the concert and hoping that I\u2019m able to be there for it (more on that next week). There is good news for the orchestra- the concert is sold out (that\u2019s 3 sold-out programs in a row for the SMP), and the rest of the Guildford Spring Music Festival, of which this will be the final concert, has been going really well, so we should have an electric atmosphere.<\/p>\n<p>Earlier this week, I wrote a bit about the band and the edition we\u2019re using. Today, I\u2019ll try to share a few thoughts about how we\u2019re deploying our resources in this performance.<\/p>\n<p>As it happens, I\u2019ll be doing something new (for me) on Saturday, which is to take the <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Symphony_No._5_(Beethoven)\">controversial repeat<\/a> of the entire Scherzo and Trio. For most of the last 100 + years, conductors have done the movement as it is published in the old edition, which is in ABA\u2019 form. In the 1970\u2019s musicologist Peter Gulke pointed out that in its original form, Beethoven had written the it in ABABA form (the autograph manuscript is clearly in ABABA)- repeating all the way back to the beginning after the Trio and playing the entire first two sections again before going on to the ghostly return. I suppose my first reaction on hearing a conductor take this extra repeat was a bit of shock- I figured he was being a bit bloody minded and was reading too many articles. Working in the past with Del Mar\u2019s edition also reinforced this conclusion- <a href=\"http:\/\/www.britishacademy.ac.uk\/pubs\/review\/_pdfs\/02\/24-delmar.pdf\">Del<\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/www.britishacademy.ac.uk\/pubs\/review\/_pdfs\/02\/24-delmar.pdf\"> Mar states unequivocally<\/a> that Beethoven firmly rejected the repeat in later versions of the piece.<\/p>\n<p>However, after the last performance I did with LCO in January, I began to doubt myself and Del Mar.<span \/><!--more-->\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>\u00a0I think that a great deal of my doubt comes from my experience doing the other Beethoven symphonies over the last 10 years. After all scherzos of the 4th, 6<sup>th<\/sup> and 7<sup>th<\/sup> symphonies are all ABABA, and compared to those, the scherzo of the 5<sup>th<\/sup> can feel strangely truncated. Also, I began to feel that the short version of the 3<sup>rd<\/sup> movement doesn\u2019t make the return to C minor after the 2<sup>nd<\/sup> movement sufficiently strong enough to make the C major of the last movement feel like the massive transformation and release that it should. In its ABA version, after finishing the 2<sup>nd<\/sup> mvt in relatively comfortable A-flat major, one only hears about 90 seconds of C minor, then we\u2019re in C major already for the trio, then the brief return to C minor for the transition to the last movement.<\/p>\n<p>Scholars are divided on this question- Del Mar feels the ABA\u2019 is conclusively correct, Brown feels that ABA is probably correct, Gulke feels strongly that ABABA\u2019 is correct. Beethoven clearly was of two minds about it, but did compose the work originally as ABABA\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>I think that using the ABABA version this week will give the symphony more balance, instead of the Scherzo feeling like an episode, which it sometimes can, it should feel more like a full movement of equal weight to the other three. It will also be of the same proportions as Beethoven\u2019s other Scherzi from this period of his career.<\/p>\n<p>To me, the real reason to doubt ABABA is not which editions and copies have what scratched out in whose hand, but it is the return of the Scherzo in the Finale, which invalidates comparisons with the norms in the other symphonies. Once LvB brings back the Scherzo in the last movement, all bets are off.<\/p>\n<p>Still, I\u2019ve decided to try it. There is a good interview with <a href=\"http:\/\/youtube.com\/watch?v=qYgnoFMThHw\">Ivan Fischer on YouTube<\/a> right now talking about a similar experiment he did with the order of the inner movements of Mahler 6.\u00a0 Although I think it is dangerous to try to use one\u2019s own taste to solve a scholarly question, there seem to be some issues that are best solved musically. With experience, I\u2019m hoping to get a better sense of either \u2013<\/p>\n<p>1-\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Why Beethoven wrote it ABABA as he originally did, and why I should be skeptical of the reasons for the later change, or-\u00a0<\/p>\n<p>2-\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Why he may have changed it, and whether his reasons for the change were musical or practical. Was he pressured into the cut? Did he feel the scope of the piece was too massive for Viennese audiences? Or did he think that ABABA was a mistake?<\/p>\n<div id=\"wp_fb_like_button\" style=\"margin:5px 0;float:none;height:100px;\"><script src=\"http:\/\/connect.facebook.net\/en_US\/all.js#xfbml=1\"><\/script><fb:like href=\"https:\/\/kennethwoods.net\/blog1\/2008\/03\/14\/b5-take-the-repeat\/\" send=\"false\" layout=\"box_count\" width=\"450\" show_faces=\"true\" font=\"arial\" action=\"like\" colorscheme=\"light\"><\/fb:like><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Time limits are mitigating against me writing too much this week about B5 preparations with the Surrey Mozart Players, but I am getting excited about the concert and hoping that I\u2019m able to be there for it (more on that next week). 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